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[pwned]

Hey guys, we really need your feedback to make sure this happens the right way.
Please let us know if you disagree, want to talk about or change the Reboot plans...

[Altari]

Hmm, this is just my opinion and I don't intend on being overtly negative but I do have a couple of things I can note from an outsiders perspective.

I recognise that this does not actively help given the error has already been made, but from my standpoint you should not have had a three month blackout of the website, given that nothing has been achieved in this time period other than a website layout change. That did not require a countdown timer to a "reboot" of the event. It was a little too much workup for what is realistically just a new website layout and a series of promises of intent to get the ball rolling which everyone has been reading for the past four years.

From my position, any website "rebooting" so that patrons can read the same things we have heard again and again (and don't want to hear) was a poor move. It's obviously too soon to tell what the overall response from the community will be, but I would have thought that actively working on those three blank completion bars on the front page (sponsoring, fundraising, and ticket sales) for the three months the site was down may have helped garner public support. Three months of blackout, to me, indicated that this was a period in which things would be actively achieved, in order for the administrators to come to the public with substantial news of an actual event. Three months is about the time patrons would expect between two LANs,

All we have been given is an indication that there are no sponsors or fundraising, and that the past three months were spent working on a website on which you could display that the public, along with continued comments of intent to "do things the right way" while continuing the way you have for the past five years: A way which clearly does not lead to regular LANs and happy patrons. In short, "I am disappoint".

On a more positive note, I do like the new website layout, and I'm certainly happy to help if you need any input in regard to actual event organisation.

[pOpArOb]

Time will tell, hopefully good things

[Gamera]

We got a "reboot" but the system is returning "No operating system found, please insert event sub-committee."

[pwned]

Altari, on 25 January 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

Hmm, this is just my opinion and I don't intend on being overtly negative but I do have a couple of things I can note from an outsiders perspective.

I recognise that this does not actively help given the error has already been made, but from my standpoint you should not have had a three month blackout of the website, given that nothing has been achieved in this time period other than a website layout change. That did not require a countdown timer to a "reboot" of the event. It was a little too much workup for what is realistically just a new website layout and a series of promises of intent to get the ball rolling which everyone has been reading for the past four years.

From my position, any website "rebooting" so that patrons can read the same things we have heard again and again (and don't want to hear) was a poor move. It's obviously too soon to tell what the overall response from the community will be, but I would have thought that actively working on those three blank completion bars on the front page (sponsoring, fundraising, and ticket sales) for the three months the site was down may have helped garner public support. Three months of blackout, to me, indicated that this was a period in which things would be actively achieved, in order for the administrators to come to the public with substantial news of an actual event. Three months is about the time patrons would expect between two LANs,

All we have been given is an indication that there are no sponsors or fundraising, and that the past three months were spent working on a website on which you could display that the public, along with continued comments of intent to "do things the right way" while continuing the way you have for the past five years: A way which clearly does not lead to regular LANs and happy patrons. In short, "I am disappoint".

On a more positive note, I do like the new website layout, and I'm certainly happy to help if you need any input in regard to actual event organisation.

Thanks for the feedback - I do agree with your comments, we had hoped to have a lot more to show after that time - it somewhat reinforces the fact that I don't have the time to be doing the event side of things.

That being said, one of the important things I wanted to achieve with the site relaunch is stressing the following:

• We're handing things back to people
  
• We're making small, achievable promises to people, and keeping them (something we need to work on, we've lost trust on this one understandably)
  
• We're not trying to do everything behind a veil of secrecy

Despite the blackout, I'm pretty happy with the stuff we've got together so far.

Things that are going on at the moment, which I'll post formally over the weekend:

• Events Team
  
  • Looking for staff, kicking off
• Fundraising
  
  • We've got 1-2 small strategies for fundraising going on at the moment
    
  • Most likely one at this stage is getting some BBQs happening
• Sponsorship
  
  • We have two sponsorship deals in the works
    
    • One for online/website stuff
      
    • One for event hardware

Stuff that's immediately on my horizon in order of priority:

• Announce the above, show people we're working on stuff
  
• Official callout for people
  
• Making sure the events guys have what they need
  
• Finalise draft of constitution for discussion
  
• Few technical staff email things

I'll be trying to drive as much of the related discussion onto these forums so everyone can see whats going on and get involved - I have a few ideas on how to make that work better long term too.

Thanks again, it's early days yet - but I'm certainly around to make sure everyone's on the same page

[Rygoat]

pwned, on 27 January 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

Thanks for the feedback - I do agree with your comments, we had hoped to have a lot more to show after that time - it somewhat reinforces the fact that I don't have the time to be doing the event side of things.

Altari speaks the truth, the order things have happened seems off. It is kind of odd that in the same 3 month period an entire event could be forged but in the last 3 months an update to the forums and homepage has happened but contact to old sponsors hasn't been made?... (I can really only speak about PCM in this case)

Not meaning to be harsh, but you stepping back from being the controller of an event for the people is probably a good thing. While your a good guy, with great skills... if you don't have the time for it... then don't do it. What process happened to nominate you as chairman btw? and was it something that was meant to re-occur after a certain time interval or just until you decided you were done with WALAN?
I hope I've not come off personal, i really didn't intend to but these are just some questions left unanswered from...well...2007(ish)



<edit> with that said i will still continue to provide support and assistance when possible, WALAN is part of Perth's nerd culture and history and it would be a shame to see it lost

Edited by Rygoat, 27 January 2012 - 02:57 PM.

[D4M14N]

pwned, on 27 January 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

We're not trying to do everything behind a veil of secrecy

I found this quote interesting as, from what i have seen so far since the black out was lifted, all walan and its staff have really said is "we have a plan" and "we are going to improve things" and nothing more substantial than that. It does actually come off as either you have something to hide, or you have nothing and are trying to talk big like you do have something, neither of which further your goal of being transparent.

Sorry if i come accross as a dick (i can understand why) but this is just how i see things.

[ClontarfX]

I would ask, what exactly do you want to know. You've said you're not reading what you like, well, what do you want to read?

I agree, a lot of what WALAN has put out there is very top level stuff. But that's because we're thinking about everything at that top level.

Believe me when I say I know where you are coming from. Throw some questions our way

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[D4M14N]

The elephant in the room would be: when are you planning on running an event, where and how often (this is a lan of course, its all about the event). If you cant answer that then say what you are activly doing to fix that.

[pOpArOb]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

I would ask, what exactly do you want to know. You've said you're not reading what you like, well, what do you want to read?

I agree, a lot of what WALAN has put out there is very top level stuff. But that's because we're thinking about everything at that top level.

Believe me when I say I know where you are coming from. Throw some questions our way

Instead of just giving vague answers, how about giving people the information, right now it looks like nothings changed, there is no plan, there is just empty promises.
What happened to the funds from previous lans, you would have a purse of sorts to book venues and such as thats what the lanners entry fee pays for.

For the fund raising, what are the funds intended for

What gear does Walan still have

Who are currenty on the commitee that are active

When do you plan to run a lan

Where do you plan to run a lan

How many attendees are you aiming for

Many many questions... just to start off since all anyone hearing atm is 'WE HAVE PLANS AND WE'RE MAD KEEN'

[Gamera]

Just in case this attempt at reviving the association goes no where here are some handy links

http://www.austlii.e...987307/s30.html
http://www.austlii.e...987307/s33.html

Happy to help.

[ClontarfX]

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Instead of just giving vague answers, how about giving people the information, right now it looks like nothings changed, there is no plan, there is just empty promises.
What happened to the funds from previous lans, you would have a purse of sorts to book venues and such as thats what the lanners entry fee pays for.

Good questions. The funds from previous lans to my knowledge are in the bank.

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

For the fund raising, what are the funds intended for

The fundraising is intended to be used to purchase new hardware. Depending on how negotiations go with vendors and suppliers I am in touch with, the amount needed to fundraise should decline significantly.

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

What gear does Walan still have

To my knowledge, there is still some switching gear and servers available. I am told previous switching gear was donated to a school circa 2007.

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Who are currenty on the commitee that are active

I can't say anything about the Committee as it is still in the process of being restructured.

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

When do you plan to run a lan

Optimistically, towards the end of this year. Or, a shitload sooner It depends on how our plans go. If you are asking for a date you won't get one just yet.

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Where do you plan to run a lan

Preferrably NOR. We are in touch with a few of our previous venues, and are negotiatiating some *awesome* deals to make things much cheaper, and better for the lanners.

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

How many attendees are you aiming for

Our budget allows for up to 500 people. However, I would be very comfortable at 300.

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Many many questions... just to start off since all anyone hearing atm is 'WE HAVE PLANS AND WE'RE MAD KEEN'

And this is exactly what I want to happen. I want you guys to not be afraid to ask questions. We are very open about how we do business. There is no "behind the scenes" shenanigans. All I can say is just remember that WALAN only rebooted 3 days ago; there's a lot more to come over the next few weeks/months

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:46 PM.
10PM on a Friday night.

[ClontarfX]

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Just in case this attempt at reviving the association goes no where here are some handy links

http://www.austlii.e...987307/s30.html
http://www.austlii.e...987307/s33.html

Happy to help.

You're quickly identifying yourself as a troll. And I can spot a good troll... But thanks for the links!

[ClontarfX]

D4M14N, on 27 January 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

The elephant in the room would be: when are you planning on running an event, where and how often (this is a lan of course, its all about the event). If you cant answer that then say what you are activly doing to fix that.

As I mentioned in the reply to poparob, I intend on having an event towards the end of this year, if not sooner. The plan is to then run between 2-3 events per year on dates that do not conflict with other lan events, so that the lanners of Perth don't have to pick or choose. Of course, this could all change depending on the outcomes of negotiating with vendors and suppliers

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:15 PM.

[Gamera]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

You're quickly identifying yourself as a troll. And I can spot a good troll... But thanks for the links!

Don't take it personal or nothin'.

[ClontarfX]

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Don't take it personal or nothin'.

I wouldn't flatter yourself if I were you.

[pOpArOb]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Dramatic effect aside, good questions. The funds from previous lans to my knowledge are in the bank.



The fundraising is intended to be used to purchase new hardware. Depending on how negotiations go with vendors and suppliers I am in touch with, the amount needed to fundraise should decline significantly.



To my knowledge, there is still some switching gear and servers available. I am told previous switching gear was donated to school circa 2007.



I can't say anything about the Committee as it is still in the process of being restructured.



Optimistically, towards the end of this year. Or, a shitload sooner It depends on how our plans go. If you are asking for a date you won't get one just yet.



Preferrably NOR. We are in touch with a few of our previous venues, and are negotiatiating some *awesome* deals to make things much cheaper, and better for the lanners.



Our budget allows for up to 500 people. However, I would be very comfortable at 300.



And this is exactly what I want to happen. I want you guys to not be afraid to ask questions. We are very open about how we do business. There is no "behind the scenes" shenanigans. All I can say is just remember that WALAN only rebooted 3 days ago; there's a lot more to come over the next few weeks/months

You say you have a budget for 500 lanners, this is confusing since your also saying you need fundraising and that the old switching gear was given away... could you please clear up all of this more directly rather than swerving the questions

[ClontarfX]

Also, co-incidentally guys a lot of this is on the front page, you can find it all by clicking through the various links (which, I will admit, aren't very intuitive).

Of particular interest will be http://walan.org/reboot

[ClontarfX]

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

You say you have a budget for 500 lanners, this is confusing since your also saying you need fundraising and that the old switching gear was given away... could you please clear up all of this more directly rather than swerving the questions

A budget for 500 lanners includes any possible purchase of new and replacement network gear and servers. However as I said above, the amount needed to fundraise would be significantly reduced pending current arrangements. Is this clearer? A budget is a plan to allocate money. Perhaps you meant "how much money does WALAN have?". I'm not sure the Treasurer would like me giving out that information.

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:32 PM.

[Gamera]

I have some comments about http://www.walan.org/reboot

Quote

Under the new rules, the following will happen:
Protection of the rules by requiring majority vote of membership to be changed.

It's a requirement of the associations act that any changes to the associations rules be passed by a majority of two thirds of the membership in a special resolution. So this is redundant.

Quote

Committee of Management

• Positions
  
  • Community Representative - Represent members of the community and their interests

Non profit organisations should exist for this purpose, so why do you need a committee member for it? Is that not what the other members of the association are generally concerned with as well?

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

I wouldn't flatter yourself if I were you.

I just mean don't take anything as being an attack for personal reasons or nothing, i.e. don't take it as trolling.

Edited by Gamera, 27 January 2012 - 10:37 PM.

[ClontarfX]

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

I have some comments about http://www.walan.org/reboot

It's a requirement of the associations act that any changes to the associations rules be passed by a majority of two thirds of the membership in a special resolution. So this is redundant.

Non profit organisations should exist for this purpose, so why do you need a committee member for it? Is that not what the other members of the association are generally concerned with as well?

I'll leave question one for someone else to answer. I'm just the Events guy, and not knowledgable about that Act.

And non-profit organisations (in the context of lanning) do exist for engaging the community, however, I believe the team wants someone who can talk to the lanners on common ground. It's another avenue that WALAN can use to make sure we get the right information to you, and feedback from you, to make sure we do things right by you I understand that us blabbing on about how WALAN works as an organisation is boring, and you guys really just want to know when the next event is. I promise as soon as that info is set in stone and in triplicate, you will know.

Or I'll be beating in the head of the Community Representative

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:37 PM.

[pOpArOb]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

A budget for 500 lanners includes any possible purchase of new and replacement network gear and servers. However as I said above, the amount needed to fundraise would be significantly reduced pending current arrangements. Is this clearer? A budget is a plan to allocate money. Perhaps you meant "how much money does WALAN have?". I'm not sure the Treasurer would like me giving out that information.

WALAN is a non-profit organisation, so I would assume knowing how much funds you have to know how much is needed in fundraising would be redundant.

Right now it says 0%... 0% for everything... yet your already making promises that do not seem accomplish able without any funds... the questions being asked are not being fully answered

I have got information that in 2008 WALAN had $2000, and bleeding money each lan for the next few lans, using 10/100 network infrastructure and had a total worth of $6000 in 2008

Could the community please have the 'Historical Meeting Minutes' ?

Edited by pOpArOb, 27 January 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[Gamera]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

And non-profit organisations (in the context of lanning) do exist for engaging the community, however, I believe the team wants someone who can talk to the lanners on common ground. It's another avenue that WALAN can use to make sure we get the right information to you, and feedback from you, to make sure we do things right by you

Implication being that for some reason other members of the committee aren't on "common ground" with lanners...? Confusing statement bro.

[ClontarfX]

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Implication being that for some reason other members of the committee aren't on "common ground" with lanners...? Confusing statement bro.

How is it confusing? We feel that having someone represent the organisation from a lanner's point of view is a great thing to have. They won't be the only avenue of information you guys get from us, just someone who will be able to answer your questions when you need them to. The majority of the WALAN committee (myself included) are putting a lot of time and effort into this, so it's not unfathomable that we could be a little busy with work

You shouldn't guess what implications might be. You should just straight out ask. Implications can often be much like assumptions.

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[D4M14N]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

How is it confusing? We feel that having someone represent the organisation from a lanner's point of view is a great thing to have. You shouldn't guess what implications might be. You should just straight out ask. Implications can often be much like assumptions.

I think what gamera is getting at is that everyone on the comittee should be filling this role by default. If you are not representing the community you are serving then you shouldnt be on the comittee etc.

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:55 PM.
LOL EDIT NOT QUOTE

[Gamera]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

How is it confusing? We feel that having someone represent the organisation from a lanner's point of view is a great thing to have. You shouldn't guess what implications might be. You should just straight out ask. Implications can often be much like assumptions.

Let me rephrase. Your rules should already state that you exist for the purpose of providing LAN gaming events to the community, so every committee member should be primarily concerned with the interests of the lanning community. You are actually going to give the task of caring about the community to a single member of the committee and this looks like the rest of the committee doesn't give a toss about the community.

tl;dr this is a retarded committee position.

[ClontarfX]

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

WALAN is a non-profit organisation, so I would assume knowing how much funds you have to know how much is needed in fundraising would be redundant.

Right now it says 0%... 0% for everything... yet your already making promises that do not seem accomplish able without any funds... the questions being asked are not being fully answered

I have got information that in 2008 WALAN had $2000, and bleeding money each lan for the next few lans, using 10/100 network infrastructure and had a total worth of $6000 in 2008

Could the community please have the 'Historical Meeting Minutes' ?

You won't get any information regarding finances out of me. You are right that having all the bars at 0% is very misleading. How would you like to gauge our peformance?

And I too have heard that information (infact someone else asked me the very same thing via Facebook today). I can't comment on the situation regarding finances. I can however tell you WALAN needs to fundraise. If the Treasurer wants to elaborate I am sure they will.

What "Historical Meeting Minutes" do you refer to? Would you like all Meeting Minutes published and publically available? I can have a chat to the Secretary to see if that's doable

[ClontarfX]

Damn you guys are keeping me busy... it's a Friday night dammit...

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

Let me rephrase. Your rules should already state that you exist for the purpose of providing LAN gaming events to the community, so every committee member should be primarily concerned with the interests of the lanning community. You are actually going to give the task of caring about the community to a single member of the committee and this looks like the rest of the committee doesn't give a toss about the community.

tl;dr this is a retarded committee position.

True, it's a little confusing. If you read the reply I gave to Damian above I hope that explains it a little better (from my point of view). You are right, if anyone on either the WALAN Committee or Events Subcommittee didn't care about lanners, or lanning, then they shouldn't be a part of an organisation such as WALAN. The WALAN team is passionate about lanning and is paying attention to the community. Why else would I be spending 2 hours on a humid, hot, uncomfortable Friday night answering these questions

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:54 PM.

[Gamera]

Can you disclose who the treasurer and secretary are, as well as the other committee members? I might have missed it on the main site. People might be reluctant to put up their hands for the event sub committee if they don't know who they're working with.

[ClontarfX]

D4M14N, on 27 January 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

I think what gamera is getting at is that everyone on the comittee should be filling this role by default. If you are not representing the community you are serving then you shouldnt be on the comittee etc.

That's a better way of putting it. We all represent the community (for example, I represent what you guys want in an event). I'll leave it to the person who designed that role to better explain what the vision is for it.

Quote/edit failure. You guys are running me in the red.

[ClontarfX]

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Can you disclose who the treasurer and secretary are, as well as the other committee members? I might have missed it on the main site. People might be reluctant to put up their hands for the event sub committee if they don't know who they're working with.

My understanding is that the current Committee roles are being restructured, so I can't give you any kind of definite answer on that. I will leave it to the Chairperson to answer that (hopefully tomorrow).

On a side note, you're not lurking on AustNet #perth right now are you?

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 10:59 PM.

[Gamera]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

If you read the reply I gave to Damian above I hope that explains it a little better (from my point of view).

Just FYI you didn't reply to his post, you hit "edit" and put your reply at the bottom of it.

[ClontarfX]

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Just FYI you didn't reply to his post, you hit "edit" and put your reply at the bottom of it.

Yeah, those buttons are *soooo* close to eachother

[Gamera]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

My understanding is that the current Committee roles are being restructured, so I can't give you any kind of definite answer on that. I will leave it to the Chairperson to answer that (hopefully tomorrow).

This sounds like information the Commissioner needs to be made aware of. I suspect you aren't currently complying with the Assocations Act and are not legally able to restructure the membership.

[ClontarfX]

Gamera, on 27 January 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

This sounds like information the Commissioner needs to be made aware of. I suspect you aren't currently complying with the Assocations Act and are not legally able to restructure the membership.

Like I said, it's just my understanding. Don't take anything I say regarding the Committee as gospel. My area of expertise is Event Coordination. I'd wait for a reply from the Chairperson.

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 11:03 PM.

[pOpArOb]

ClontarfX, on 27 January 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

You won't get any information regarding finances out of me. You are right that having all the bars at 0% is very misleading. How would you like to gauge our peformance?

And I too have heard that information (infact someone else asked me the very same thing via Facebook today). I can't comment on the situation regarding finances. I can however tell you WALAN needs to fundraise. If the Treasurer wants to elaborate I am sure they will.

What "Historical Meeting Minutes" do you refer to? Would you like all Meeting Minutes published and publically available? I can have a chat to the Secretary to see if that's doable

Pretty sure the community wants to know who the people are that are on said committee right now at this stage, without you dodging the question and saying its being restructured

Historical Meeting Minutes in a thread to itself will be sufficient so that the community can see whats really going on

[ClontarfX]

pOpArOb, on 27 January 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Pretty sure the community wants to know who the people are that are on said committee right now at this stage, without you dodging the question and saying its being restructured

Historical Meeting Minutes in a thread to itself will be sufficient so that the community can see whats really going on

Fair call and I agree, there needs to be more information about who currently sits on the Committee. When the Chairperson has that info ready, I am sure they will divulge it.

RE: Minutes Thread, as long as the rules and such allow for it, that sounds like a good idea.

Keep the questions/ideas/suggestions coming.

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[pOpArOb]

You haven't answered any real questions as of yet, so why would we ask more questions knowing they will be dodged and unanswered.

got a thumbs down from me.

p.s. why do you edit every single one of your posts, doesn't give a good impression of sticking to your word does it?

Edited by pOpArOb, 27 January 2012 - 11:12 PM.

[ClontarfX]

What questions haven't I answered? Keeping in mind I can't answer every question you have. I am but one person in this whole thing.

And I am editing the posts for spelling, language and accuracy.

Or maybe I am just doing it because I like the orange bar?

Edited by ClontarfX, 27 January 2012 - 11:21 PM.

[snowblind]

Well guys, I've been reading this thread for a while and some interesting stuff has been said but I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.

Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Edited by snowblind, 27 January 2012 - 11:29 PM.

[ClontarfX]

+1 for random yet insightful post.

[ClontarfX]

By the way, I might be collating your questions and any answers into a Q&A post, or maybe even just put it at the top of this thread. A lot of very good questions that might not neccesarily get asked

[pOpArOb]

or you could answer them now and stop avoiding them, and dont ask what questions, your on the committee, you should know who else is on it, if not, walan is even more screwed than previously thought

[ClontarfX]

Rob you aren't making any sense now. What questions? I am not the Chairperson and I've already said the Chairperson will answer that. If I was completely 100% confident I could speak confidently about who is on the Committee I would be answering that. I am the Events Coordinator. I deal with running the event. I'm not a Chairperson.

[Rygoat]

What does WALAN stand for?
Will there be a desk to put my computer on at the next lan?
I heard that you plan on only allowing ipads at the next event because you cant secure somewhere with 3 phase power... is that true?
Will you fix my computer?
I want all these answers, yesterday.


In regards to the whole "committee" I can comment that to my last knowledge the committee are as follows:
Chairman:: Will "EvilOne" Dowling (now known as Pwned)
Treasurer:: Pia "Pia" Travaglini

to my knowledge all others have left WALAN
I don't understand why their names are listed tbh.
I hope I haven't trod on any toes by mentioning names but I figure if my name can be mentioned on the front page then no harm done,

[pOpArOb]

Thanks Rygoat, thats a start to answering some questions

[Rygoat]

No problem, transparency right?
So to flip things around, what are you guys able to do to help WALAN? I imagine any bit of help would be appreciated, maybe we can get those bars off 0%

[ClontarfX]

I can't click the "Like This" button, so <fb:like> will have to suffice.

Rygoat, on 28 January 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

In regards to the whole "committee" I can comment that to my last knowledge the committee are as follows:
Chairman:: Will "EvilOne" Dowling (now known as Pwned)
Treasurer:: Pia "Pia" Travaglini

to my knowledge all others have left WALAN
I don't understand why their names are listed tbh.
I hope I haven't trod on any toes by mentioning names but I figure if my name can be mentioned on the front page then no harm done,

I thought "I don't know" was pretty transparent That's why I said I'd leave it.

Edited by ClontarfX, 28 January 2012 - 12:15 AM.

[ClontarfX]

Rygoat, on 28 January 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

What does WALAN stand for?
Will there be a desk to put my computer on at the next lan?
I heard that you plan on only allowing ipads at the next event because you cant secure somewhere with 3 phase power... is that true?
Will you fix my computer?
I want all these answers, yesterday.

Unfortunately, my flux capacitor is broken and/or I am unable to attain speeds of 88mph.

But will a box of chocolates suffice?

[pOpArOb]

Still dont see the Chairperson answering any questions...